“A decent White guy will never want you if he knows you’ve been with a Black guy.”
Jenna, a gorgeous blonde woman from a small town in the Midwest, took those words to heart. They came from Mr. Right, the White guy she’d been dating not long after moving to the metropolis, and she was head over heels for him. She’d dated a few Black men prior to meeting him and mentioned it in a conversation they were having about their previous dating experiences.
Mr. Right was tall, dark, and handsome with a high-income job that afforded his lavish condo and luxury cars, not to mention his upscale style of dressing. Jenna had finally hit the jackpot and was afraid she’d messed up her chance with Mr. Right, so she backpedaled and let it be known that no sex was involved with any of those Black men; only a few drinks and casual conversations.
But Jenna did have sex with those Black men. I was a friend of her roommate at the time, Karen, another blonde woman who saw no shame in her attraction and desire for melanin-enhanced brethren. It was Karen who’d introduced Jenna to some of her single, Black guy-friends and set Jenna on the path of foreign indulgence.
Karen heard the headboard crashing against Jenna’s bedroom wall and her orgasmic screams from down the hallway of their two-bedroom apartment when the sex happened. She also listened as Jenna boasted about her mind-blowing sexual experiences over their morning coffee together in the kitchen. But when she began dating Mr. Right and he let her know whats to be expected of a woman he’d like to call his own, her taboo past became a forgotten and rejected memory.
Mr. Right’s opinion is one that echoes throughout the minds of many men who don’t want women of their race or culture to be with anyone other than the men of their group, and it’s important for them to shame the ones who do.
I can recall a recent occasion where I was helping a photographer I know search through some equipment to use during his next photo shoot. He told me about a model he was working with who was smoking hot and had a good attitude, but she was kind of ‘ghetto’ and had a lot of Black boyfriends before she became single.
“Those Black boyfriends turned you off, huh?” I joked.
“Nah, it wasn’t that. She just seemed like she’d been through a lot and had a lot of issues,” he replied.
Yeah, she’d been through a lot — a lot of Black dudes, and that was enough to turn him off from pursuing her. I didn’t press him to speak the truth of the matter, but I could read between the lines to see his covert way of disgracing her.
We could chalk it up to insecurity; no man wants to think of his woman with any man before him, but the disgust and contempt rises to another level when its revealed that the previous man was Black.
Labels like coalburner, mudshark, and the timeless-classic, nigger lover, are terms used by some to describe women of other races who’ve dated Black men in the past and serves as a warning for other non-Black men to consider before pursuing them.
This pseudo-ownership strategy of socially disfranchising a woman for dating outside of her group usually prevents them from doing so, unless their rebellion or true desire for another is beyond the concern of what others think or how they’re labeled.
It’s strange that these labels apply to Black men when traditionally a woman desires a man who’s tall, dark and handsome, like Mr. Right.
Dark, yes — but not Black.
The context lies in the historical conception of handsome European men who were builders and soldiers that labored in the sun, and the Italian, Spanish, and certain Middle Eastern men who possessed the same qualities. However, once the genetics venture more towards African traits and the darker skin is paired with coarse hair, large nostrils, and full lips, the more different we seem from the European standards the world has set for male desirability — and the more unacceptable it is to be with someone different than that standard.
A better and more modern wording of the nostalgic phrase would be: Tall, dark and handsome, but not Black.
There are women who’ll ignore the cultural and social stigmas of being with a Black man, but they still get labeled and categorized into specific types:
The women who ‘talk Black’ or ‘act Black.’ These women don’t fit the social norms of an educated and proper woman that Mr. Right would want to have on his arm. Sometimes these women come from places where people talked a certain way and they’re simply products of their environment. However, there are also women who’ve come from exclusive backgrounds yet have an affinity for Black culture (rather, the extreme and negative aspects of it). They emulate unfavorable stereotypes of Black women and believe that’s how they should carry themselves in order to attract Black men. They make it look bad for the rest and become the poster-child for cultural shaming.
The women with low self-esteem. These women can’t get Mr. Right because they don’t look good enough or don’t have the type of body he’d prefer, so they choose a Black man because its embedded in public lore that Black men will fuck any woman, especially if she’s of a different race. As comedian Lisa Lampinelli once joked, “Remember when a Black guy would fuck a refrigerator just because it was white?”
The women who experiment. The curiosity of finding out if the myth is true about a Black man’s dick size and sexual prowess coupled with the arousal factor of doing something taboo is enough to make a woman indulge her interests. But after the experiment is done, she’s back to searching for a proper man to have a serious relationship with, like Mr. Right.
The rebellious ones. This is more common with girls in their teens and early twenties who want to piss off their parents and families. These girls are usually told as they’re growing up not to date or bring home a Black man, and of course the ultimate form of disobedience is to do the opposite. After the rebellious streak subsides and she’s lucky enough not to get pregnant by any of the Black men she’s dated, she straightens up to find Mr. Right as well.
Women in the porn industry can also be stigmatized for having sex with a Black man on-camera. When an actress does a scene with a Black male co-star, it’s immediately labeled as taboo, interracial, or the premise of the film feeds into a negative stereotype (i.e. a Black man brutally dominating a submissive White damsel). Though a large market exists for that type of porn, many adult actresses avoid doing those scenes because it can mean a loss of their fan base — mostly White males who prefer not to see their fantasy girl getting it on with a Black guy.
I’ve also heard it argued from a biological perspective:
Since males are competing for reproductive success in the transfer of their genes within a group, all outsiders are considered an immediate threat. And, being that someone Black is anatomically different in a few ways (hair, skin and facial features), he may as well be an alien from another planet invading the human race to take their women.
For as much as women are demeaned for being with a Black man, the twisted irony lies in the men who do the demeaning — they play the field with all sorts of women, no matter what race, creed or color, but aren’t scarred with the cultural badge of dishonor like the women are. And once they’re done, the women of the group continue to accept them despite their outer-cultural wanderings.
Knowing that I have the power to tarnish a woman by sleeping with her is powerful, yet disheartening. I yearn to adore a woman’s beauty and give her the greatest pleasure possible without demeaning or shaming her in any way. But if society shows us anything other than how shallow we are, it’s that any love, lust, chemistry, and desire beneath the physical shell of a human being means nothing; it’s what’s on the surface that determines social orthodox.
Oddly enough, when I was browsing through words in a thesaurus for a synonym in place of ‘tarnish,’Â blacken was one of the choices.
What are your thoughts? Have you been shamed by people of your cultural or social circle because you’ve been with a Black guy?
Are women who’ve dated or slept with Black men considered undesirable?
-MM
February 14, 2016
It’s sad but very true…there is an international caste system associated with the light/darkness of ones skin, and its really sad and unfortunate that the outer aspects of human biology still dictate the potential partners people in society end up choosing. The rippling effect of inhuman treatment amongst those that are darker is something that I feel won’t go away anytime soon.
While there are many outliers to this (interracial relationships), and that number is growing, I personally feel that any discrimination,prejudice, racist, and otherwise demeaning and unfair treament that is racially charged won’t go away until interracial relationships become the norm.
August 15, 2016
“Oddly enough, when I was browsing through words in a thesaurus for a synonym in place of âtarnish,â blacken was one of the choices.”
Silver reacts with sulphides ( sulphur ) in the air to turn black. Pictures: http://tinyurl.com/zc6r3er
http://www.blueturtles.com.au/blog/jewellery-care/fact-sheet-silver-and-tarnishing/
In the 1980’s and early 1990’s ( in the UK ), people would have said copper tarnishes and turns green so the definition of the word must have changed over time: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/tarnish
At that point, I was curious about the origins of the word “tarnish” and it turned out to be very old ( 1590 ) : http://tinyurl.com/zscle2c
I imagined a British maid, polishing the silver, for some British aristocrat. I imagined the British absorbing the French, 16th century word as a result of the Anglo-French wars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-French_War
I’m guessing that at some point in the 1700’s, during the birth of modern chemistry, chemists tried to use English language words to explain to lay-people, that the discolouration was as a result of a chemical reaction?
July 21, 2017
Why would you want to marry a woman who you cannot trust to make the choices that would raise your children in your liking ? This may sound crude and racist, but let’s flip the coin. If you are a black man , who loves his history and ancestry. A man who doesn’t hate “whites” but loves his black heritage and wants his kids to grow up and really appreciate and understand it… would you marry a black girl, who before you only slept with white men and was attracted to white men? A girl who turned her back on her own kind just to fit in to the “white” crowd? ( there are many black women like this) How can you trust your wife to have the influence that you want to have on your daughter? I am a Caucasian man from Europe who is not racist and I do not treat any other race differently in respect to work, sports, friendships or any other social relationship. However I do want my kids to be proud of their country , heritage and history. How can I try to teach my daughter to be proud of her ancestry and to try to preserve it, if I myself chose a woman who doesn’t care about these things. I would sounds like a hypocrit to my children and I wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t trust my judgement or advice. Try to think about that before you call me a racist. Isn’t the world an interesting place with a diverse population and cultures? Remember Muhammad Ali who was very outspoken about racism has said numerous times that he is proud to be black and wants to preserve his heritage. That he would like to see black women stay in the black community. I comment him for that , and so does everybody else. He is a proud man. Why is it when a white person says that he is a racist ?
October 30, 2021
Because white people are racist
January 9, 2022
So are black people
August 2, 2017
On the flip side, Black Men are certainly scrutinized and ostracized as well, by people of our own.nationality. The stares, dirty looks, whispers, head-shakes of disapproval, tongue-clicks/hisses and hidden murmurings by many Black Women, Whites. and even someBlack Men upon seeing a Black man with a non-Black woman, are there, here in the Pacific NW and on the West Coast, I know for sure, because I have witnessed it often.
It is not just White women who risk such racial shaming in Dating. There is yet a large segment of the Black Community who will display similar discrinatory attidues towards, as that of racist whites; Especially when seeing Interracial couples of Black and White; I can vouch that it occurs and that it is still a much more difficult road for interracial couples, than for those who date inside their Sub-race, in terms of public or societal acceptance. So let’s not act like the White woman or Women, in, general, are the only ones catching heat & ridicule behind crossing invisible color lines, with always the most poisonous venom reserved for taboo Black/White intimacy- or what 90s Amerikkkka came to know as (the Spike Lee film and coined phrase), “JUNGLE FEVER”.
August 30, 2017
As you said, they power you hold to “tarnish” a woman. I believe that this can be more two sided then it seems. There are black men who do specifically target white women to fuck. They get off on the conscious or subconscious idea of ruining a white woman for other men. Also, there is a lot of sexual play between white women and black men about the dominant black man control the white woman. Or even the dominant black man cuckolding the white husband.
But another question is do black men take white women seriously in relationships and home to meet the family? I think for as much talk as there is about white women being ashamed of the black men they have been with, there is just as much reverse shaming happening to keep a black man from comfortably bringing a white woman home.
July 9, 2018
Yep. Itâs disgusting. Because it looks like someone is showing a turd up her snatch. Once you go black we donât want you back.
August 8, 2018
It sounds like not even âyour own White womenâ want U. Hilarious!
December 26, 2020
Women who like blacks are probably into bestiality as well.
Would you date a woman that has fucked a dog?
December 18, 2018
Welcome to modern America like it or not. Our threat is not ourselves itâs the increasing power of our government. While we argue over relationships and right or wrong we get side tracked from the most important things like liberty. I refuse to get dragged down this petty political road or the comparison to others. Many have a host of issues and Iâm not a therapist and Iâm not God. I have control over one life mine. I made a ton of choices as a young man usually just as many crappy ones as good ones. The idea Iâm going to say person A shouldnât date person B is laughable. All races and all people have some type of bigotry in them including the leaders who say they donât. Billy Graham came about as perfect as any human Iâve ever known in my lifetime but Iâm willing to bet heâs had his share of sins. Most people mature when they get old and try to stay away from the worst of their own character some donât. This person mentioned all sorts of biases like height, or fat or bald we also have our vices. Most white women who interracial date for confidence and presentation of which even I notice but theyâd be lying if the physical wasnât part of it. Any of the people posting here think there is going to be a kumbunya moment crush it itâs not coming unless you have government workers forcing races to intigrate via a shot gun. Donât laugh or put it past them they have made no bones about their Globalist ideas. Why is it something tells me they think theyâll be in charge afterwards? Hum. My father always said somebody needs to empty the trash. Well apparently our government seems to think more drones need creating. Is Tedâs cabin still available? Is there no wonder people want off the grid to avoid somebody somewhere telling you how to live or think. This all from a group of high school grads who canât write cursive and canât do math without a calculator. If thatâs smart I prefer idiocy.
August 7, 2019
Hello, white woman here. Iâm almost 20. I think this article left out one important part. Some white women are just more attracted to black men. When I was really young I watched high school musical and had a crush on one of the actors and told my mom I wanted to marry a black guy someday. She was very concerned and asked me âwhy not a white guy?â. I donât really know why. I am attracted to men of all races and I think dating a white man is the most comfortable. But you have to think about why Asian women date white men. Itâs not because of money because Asian men make more than white men in the us. Maybe it is just because Asian women prefer white men and white women prefer black men sometimes. But I do think that our history with slavery and our culture also is another aspect of the shame. Anyways, I just want people to be able to be with whoever they theyâre in love with.
October 1, 2020
You speak wisdom. Be with who you want to. But if you choose to be with certain people, then I have the right to find you repulsive.
January 23, 2019
I think itâs disgusting even if a white woman continplates sleeping with a black man. It was illegal at one time in our nation and should be once again.
August 1, 2019
I’m sure there are exceptions, but the white women I’ve seen living with or dating (and if they are dating; the are f**king) black men and/or the tattooed drug addicted hell’s angels’ type white guys are trailer trash and/or they look, dress, and act sleazy. Perhaps they are not sluts, but I suspect they are.
When I meet such women, I’ll be polite, but I wouldn’t f**k one; let alone have a relationship. As far as I’m concerned “Once you go black (or go with the hells angels’ type), you can never come back.
November 29, 2019
Two types of women who date black men:
1: fat, chubby and not attractive,
2: Sluts.
Either way I or any decent man would never accept because we get disgusted, simply as that.
February 6, 2022
Exactly đŻ% correct if they’ll lower their standards to let a moolie between their legs than they aren’t worth my time
December 19, 2020
White women tend not to think about all the issues one should consider before dating a black man. The PC narratives never emphasize the white woman’s heritage the tremendous accomplishments of so many white men in North America and central Europe the hubs of the modern new world. The innovations in technology sciences and other disciplines truly set us apart from others. The temperament of black men often leads them to behave hostile and violent to the point of being outside civilized norms even in their sexual attitudes. They frankly spread STDs throughout the population particularly to white women.
October 30, 2021
They don’t call you people white devils for nothing.
June 15, 2021
id like to ask about jenna did she get her white guy after all
June 15, 2021
nna the blond from the midwest did she get her white guy after all
June 15, 2021
did the lady jenn did she get her white guy in the end
November 4, 2021
It is just sad the number of racist comments that I read on this page. I hope administrators take care of them soon as the shouldnât be part of free speech due to the fact that are violating other peopleâs rights.
Everybody should love whoever they want because that is what love is all about.
It is not acceptable to put people down based on who they choose to be in love with.
If some white guys on this page feel uncomfortable on white ladies dating black guys they should look into themselves and she how fragile their masculinity is and how to manage their level of insecurity.
November 7, 2022
You do realize black men have been lynched behind this mess. White women throughout history willingly have had sexual relations with black men, and out of fear of being ostracized by white society, lied and said they were coerced. smh. The same liberals bringing attention to all these other causes need to bring attention to this mess as well.